What does the Bible say about televangelism

  • Hello Hello!
    Since I should / want to give a lecture on "Jesus in pop music" in religion and one of my favorite songs is "Jesus he knows me", I have included it in my lecture.
    Now I have a couple of questions:
    - Why was "Genesis" named after the first book of Moses?
    - Who wrote Jesus he knows me? Phil?
    - Why did you write one or the other religious song?
    - Why explicitly "Jesus he knows me"?

    It would be great if you could help me a little in the next two days, especially with the first question, I'm not that keen fan after all ^^

    LG the konfeddi

  • Regarding your first question (with no guarantee of correctness): Decades ago I heard that Genesis had always wanted to call themselves that, but that the band name had already been given to another (long forgotten) band. So they are said to have called themselves "Revelation" first, after the last book of the Bible - Revelation. When the "Genesis" at that time had dissolved, the "real" Genesis would have called themselves Genesis and their first album "From Genesis to Revelation". I can't say whether it's true.
    I don't think Genesis wanted the name to be related to the Bible and religion. In the 60s and 70s, people were looking for names that sound good and that could be remembered. And Genesis really doesn't sound bad.
    (Barclay James Harvest, for example, is a synthesis of words that the band members put together according to their sound. That doesn't sound bad either. On the other hand, bands with complicated names like "New Riders of the Purple Sage" have become "New Riders" abbreviated because the long name did not stick to anyone. The band "Silmarillion" also had great initial difficulties until they deleted the first syllable and from then on only called themselves "Marillion".) To cut a long story short: I think Genesis was all about recognition. Therefore the name.

    As far as "Jesus he knows me" is concerned, it is not a religious song, but a socially critical topic, namely the exploitation of people's good faith against the background of an expectation of salvation. But this is another story...

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  • Hello,
    thanks for the information!
    Too bad, I would have liked "Genesis" as a choice of name would have made sense - and my Relil teacher surely too * grin *
    Sure, Jesus he knows me is not religious, but JESUS ​​appears in it, that's enough

    LG the konfeddii

  • Regarding your first question (with no guarantee of correctness): Decades ago I heard that Genesis had always wanted to call themselves that, but that the band name had already been given to another (long forgotten) band. So they are said to have called themselves "Revelation" first, after the last book of the Bible - Revelation. When the "Genesis" at that time had dissolved, the "real" Genesis would have called themselves Genesis and their first album "From Genesis to Revelation". I can't say whether it's true.
    I don't think Genesis wanted the name to be related to the Bible and religion. In the 60s and 70s, people were looking for names that sound good and memorable. And Genesis really doesn't sound bad.
    (Barclay James Harvest, for example, is a synthesis of words that the band members put together according to their sound. That doesn't sound bad either. On the other hand, bands with such complicated names as "New Riders of the Purple Sage" have become "New Riders" abbreviated because the long name did not stick to anyone. The band "Silmarillion" also had great initial difficulties until they deleted the first syllable and from then on only called themselves "Marillion".) To cut a long story short: I think Genesis was all about recognition. Therefore the name.

    As far as "Jesus he knows me" is concerned, it is not a religious song, but a socially critical topic, namely the exploitation of people's good faith against the background of an expectation of salvation. But this is another story...


    Unfortunately, your "Genesis" definition is wrong! The then producer and discoverer of the band "Jonathan King" called the band "Genesis" because it was his first band that he produced, i.e. the beginning of his career as a producer. The first record didn't have a band name because there was already a band called "Genesis" in the USA, so the record was just called "From Genesis To Revelation"!

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    The producer Jonathan King came up with the name Genesis for the young band. With the Charterhouse boys, King began his "Genesis" - his new beginning as a producer. But because there was this band from the USA with the same name, the first album was simply released under the name FGTR. The band name was left open, so to speak.

    As far as I know, Phil wrote the text for Jesus He Knows Me. I'm not sure, but as far as I know he has said several times that he is very proud of the song.

    EDIT The squonk was probably faster than me

    "THE NIGHT WE TRACKED DOWN PHIL COLLINS, BECAME BEST FRIENDS WITH HIM, AND TALKED HIM INTO REUNITING WITH PETER GABRIEL, AND THEN WE GOT TO SING BACKUP ON THE NEW GENESIS ALBUM AND IT WAS AWESOME!"

    - Barney Stinson, How I Met Your Mother, Season 7, Episode 21 ‘Now We’re Even’

  • So, everything you need to explain the song is on Wikipedia.

    Jesus He Knows Me - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    TV preacherâ € ”Wikipedia


    And so that you know exactly what such a miracle cure looks like on American television:

    YouTube - Benny Hinn - FIRE Fall on Kids (1)

    The Genesis video really hits it spot-on. As far as I suspect, almost all Genesis members believe in God. Except for Phil, who is skeptical of all religions, but believes in something that is "up there". Somehow he mentioned that before. I am an atheist and I get through this criticism Jesus He Knows Me terrific. Unfortunately "miraculous healings" still exist today. Stupidity never dies.

    You can blow out a candle
    But you can never blow out a fire
    Once the flames begin to catch
    The wind will blow it higher

  • Well, I've read several times that no Genesis member really believes in the biblical God.
    Well, it doesn't matter anymore ...

    As far as I know, the band name is the short version of the program: the beginning, the creation
    a new music, new structures, lyrics, etc. The first album describes the creation and
    Evolution of mankind.
    Genesis never wrote religious songs, even if they often made use of Christian imagery
    becomes. Allderings for aesthetic reasons, nothing for religious reasons.

  • So, everything you need to explain the song is on Wikipedia.

    Jesus He Knows Me - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    TV preacherâ € ”Wikipedia


    And so that you know exactly what such a miracle cure looks like on American television:

    YouTube - Benny Hinn - FIRE Fall on Kids (1)

    The Genesis video really hits it spot-on. As far as I suspect, almost all Genesis members believe in God. Except for Phil, who is skeptical of all religions, but believes in something that is "up there". Somehow he mentioned that before. I am an atheist and I get through this criticism Jesus He Knows Me terrific. Unfortunately "miraculous healings" still exist today. Stupidity never dies.

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    Far from being an atheist, I agree with you: on the breeding ground of apparent religiosity, people's good faith is exploited and the concerns of serious believers are turned upside down. I find these "televangelists" at least marginal, and that Genesis wrote a song about them honors them. Nevertheless, one should not call all religious people (just as little as all atheists) "fools". I know Christians, Muslims, atheists, agnostics, pantheists and others, whom I take seriously. Let's just keep talking.

    By the way; Phil looks really crap in the video: YouTube - Genesis - Jesus He Knows Me

    I'm going to swing again.

  • Far from being an atheist, I agree with you: on the breeding ground of apparent religiosity, people's good faith is exploited and the concerns of serious believers are turned upside down. I find these "televangelists" at least marginal, and that Genesis wrote a song about them honors them. Nevertheless, one should not call all religious people (just as little as all atheists) "fools". I know Christians, Muslims, atheists, agnostics, pantheists and others who I take seriously. Let's just keep talking.


    By the way; Phil looks really crap in the video: YouTube - Genesis - Jesus He Knows Me



    I really don't want to let this thread drift too much into the off-topic area and there is already a nice thread called "Gretchenfrage", but I would still like to answer.

    I am an atheist, I accept the existence of religions (what else can I do), but I do not accept when so-called representatives of God think their word is God's word. I am including the Pope. I admire people who do good in their faith. By "good" I mean the area that also corresponds to my atheistic moral standards. There are certainly a lot of parallels.


    To misunderstand:

    When I spoke of stupidity, I did not mean the religions, but the belief in miraculous healing by an "elect of God". I don't presume to call believers "fools". I always formulate my sentences very clearly.

    And for everyone who is interested: I "believe" in Jesus - that he existed as a person, but nothing more.

    You can blow out a candle
    But you can never blow out a fire
    Once the flames begin to catch
    The wind will blow it higher

  • I'm just wondering which songs are meant by "one or the other religious song". The pieces by FGTR come to mind, which in a broader sense had the concept of telling the story of the world in ten pop songs. In addition, Jesus He Knows Me. The Musical Box has allusions, For Absent Friends touches on the religious without addressing it. Get 'Em Out By Friday has a very pointed comment on the subject of money and religion and could therefore almost be considered a forerunner of JHKM ...

    But before I continue to suspect here - which pieces do you mean by the remark?